Info Chewing on your molars changes your skull.

[Deleted member 57685]

Look at how much fucking stress/force your skull has to deal with by chewing hard on your molar compared to your incisors

 

[neymar]

Yeah until it gives you tmj and your face muscles shatter then ur face turns into an expired grape

 

[Deleted member 57685]

Yeah until it gives you tmj

as long as your not chewing a wrench your fine

your face muscles shatter then ur face turns into an expired grape

contributes nothing to this forum other than this disgrace of an IQ level smh

 

[neymar]

as long as your not chewing a wrench your fine


contributes nothing to this forum other than this disgrace of an IQ level smh

One quick google search will agree with me fuck face ur face isnt even developed and ur taking hormones or whatever

 

[DarkAscender]

Yeah until it gives you tmj and your face muscles shatter then ur face turns into an expired grape

Only ppl that grind their teeth in their sleep or chew unnecessarily hard develop that.

 

[Deleted member 57685]

One quick google search will agree with me fuck face

"fuck face" in 2025 yeh its over, and if your IQ was above 25 you would understand I already said as long as your not chewing too hard, your fine.

ur face isnt even developed and ur taking hormones or whatever

makes it 3x more effective

 

[neymar]

Only ppl that grind their teeth in their sleep or chew unnecessarily hard develop that.

It becomes a habit for many people if ur already doing it

 

[DarkAscender]

It becomes a habit for many people if ur already doing it

ngl I might have developed tmj a while back, cause I found out abt mewing in like 2019-20 and I did it the wrong way.. Was resting my molars directly on top of each other. My jaw is very wide now but I’m wary of bloat

 

[neymar]

ngl I might have developed tmj a while back, cause I found out abt mewing in like 2019-20 and I did it the wrong way.. Was resting my molars directly on top of each other. My jaw is very wide now but I’m wary of bloat

Yeah same happened to my friend

 

[Whitepill]

0 way for this to occur without surgery. The body doesn't adapt, it degenerates

 

[Deleted member 57685]

The body doesn't adapt, it degenerates

????

with this logic humans wouldn't have a jaw by now cus all the chewing caused the mandible to deform and degenerate

 

[Whitepill]

????

with this logic humans wouldn't have a jaw by now cus all the chewing caused the mandible to deform and degenerate

We aren't meant to chew that much

 

[Deleted member 57685]

We aren't meant to chew that much

just cus raw meat is soft, doesn't mean we didn't have to chew through bone to get to food

 

[Whitepill]

just cus raw meat is soft, doesn't mean we didn't have to chew through bone to get to food

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You don't have to chew through the bone lol, anyways there is absolutely no way it would change your skull past 5 years old

 

[Deleted member 57685]

anyways there is absolutely no way it would change your skull past 5 years old

The bio-mechanical model predicts that morphological variation in torus size is the direct product of differential tension caused by mastication, as indicated by an increase in load/lever ratio and broad craniofacial angle.[5]

Research done on this model has largely been based on earlier work of Endo. By applying pressure similar to the type associated with chewing, he carried out an analysis of the structural function of the supraorbital region on dry human and gorilla skulls. His findings indicated that the face acts as a pillar that carries and disperses tension caused by the forces produced during mastication.[6][7][8][9] Russell and Oyen et al. elaborated on this idea, suggesting that amplified facial projection necessitates the application of enhanced force to the anterior dentition in order to generate the same bite power that individuals with a dorsal deflection of the facial skull exert. In more prognathic individuals, this increased pressure triggers bone deposition to reinforce the brow ridges, until equilibrium is reached.[10][11][12]

Oyen et al. conducted a cross-section study of Papio anubis in order to ascertain the relationship between palate length, incisor load and Masseter lever efficiency, relative to torus enlargement. Indications found of osteoblastic deposition in the glabella were used as evidence for supraorbital enlargement. Oyen et al.’s data suggested that more prognathic individuals experienced a decrease in load/lever efficiency. This transmits tension via the frontal process of the maxilla to the supraorbital region, resulting in a contemporary reinforcement of this structure. This was also correlated to periods of tooth eruption.[13]

In a later series of papers, Russell developed aspects of this mode further. Employing an adult Australian sample, she tested the association between brow ridge formation and anterior dental loading, via the craniofacial angle (prosthion-nasion-metopion), maxilla breadth, and discontinuities in food preparation such as those observed between different age groups. Finding strong support for the first two criteria, she concluded that the supraorbital complex is formed as a result of increased tension due to the widening of the maxilla, thought to be positively correlated with the size of the masseter muscle, as well as with the improper orientation of bone in the superior orbital region

 

[Whitepill]

The bio-mechanical model predicts that morphological variation in torus size is the direct product of differential tension caused by mastication, as indicated by an increase in load/lever ratio and broad craniofacial angle.[5]

Research done on this model has largely been based on earlier work of Endo. By applying pressure similar to the type associated with chewing, he carried out an analysis of the structural function of the supraorbital region on dry human and gorilla skulls. His findings indicated that the face acts as a pillar that carries and disperses tension caused by the forces produced during mastication.[6][7][8][9] Russell and Oyen et al. elaborated on this idea, suggesting that amplified facial projection necessitates the application of enhanced force to the anterior dentition in order to generate the same bite power that individuals with a dorsal deflection of the facial skull exert. In more prognathic individuals, this increased pressure triggers bone deposition to reinforce the brow ridges, until equilibrium is reached.[10][11][12]

Oyen et al. conducted a cross-section study of Papio anubis in order to ascertain the relationship between palate length, incisor load and Masseter lever efficiency, relative to torus enlargement. Indications found of osteoblastic deposition in the glabella were used as evidence for supraorbital enlargement. Oyen et al.’s data suggested that more prognathic individuals experienced a decrease in load/lever efficiency. This transmits tension via the frontal process of the maxilla to the supraorbital region, resulting in a contemporary reinforcement of this structure. This was also correlated to periods of tooth eruption.[13]

In a later series of papers, Russell developed aspects of this mode further. Employing an adult Australian sample, she tested the association between brow ridge formation and anterior dental loading, via the craniofacial angle (prosthion-nasion-metopion), maxilla breadth, and discontinuities in food preparation such as those observed between different age groups. Finding strong support for the first two criteria, she concluded that the supraorbital complex is formed as a result of increased tension due to the widening of the maxilla, thought to be positively correlated with the size of the masseter muscle, as well as with the improper orientation of bone in the superior orbital region

Correlation.

 

[Deleted member 57685]

Correlation.

provide a real argument next time

 

[Whitepill]

provide a real argument next time

Masseter muscle is correlated, it won't remodel your skull. Cut this bullshit and pay up to the Jews for your bimax

 

[Whitepill]

TikTok tier "towel method" thread

 

[Deleted member 57685]

Masseter muscle is correlated, it won't remodel your skull

studies please

TikTok tier "towel method" thread

"Towel method" = TMJ speedrun, show studies tho

Cut this bullshit and pay up to the Jews for your bimax

never

 

[Whitepill]

studies please

Show a study where it isn't a correlation and purely a mechanistic idealistic hypothetical

"Towel method" = TMJ speedrun, show studies tho

Why promote chewing at all then + mechanistic functions are sufficient this conversation because this is a hypothesis as I said. You use the title info like it's a common fact, just lol. Moderate masseter training from food is fine but any higher will make no difference.

never

 

[Deleted member 57685]

Show a study where it isn't a correlation and purely a mechanistic idealistic hypothetical

Probably cus the university running the study had double digit IQ and agreed the average normal person can understand that forces = growth, or do you want to credit the growth to fuck all smh

Masticatory demands induce region-specific changes in mandibular bone density in growing rats - PubMed

This study investigates the structural adaptation of the mandibular bone when subjected to different masticatory functional and mechanical demands during growth. The effect of two experimental factors, the insertion of a bite block and the alteration of food consistency, on the bone mineral...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Craniofacial and dentofacial development in pigs fed soft and hard diets - PubMed

The increase in arch width in the hard-diet animals reported in the literature was not duplicated in this study. On the contrary, the soft-diet pigs had significantly wider arches than the hard-diet animals. This was most pronounced in the premolar region and could be the result of an atypical...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

You use the title info like it's a common fact, just lol.

Because it does, take a 2nd look at the fucking picture one more time please lmfao

Moderate masseter training from food is fine but any higher will make no difference.

 

[Whitepill]

Probably cus the university running the study had double digit IQ and agreed the average normal person can understand that forces = growth, or do you want to credit the growth to fuck all smh

Masticatory demands induce region-specific changes in mandibular bone density in growing rats - PubMed

This study investigates the structural adaptation of the mandibular bone when subjected to different masticatory functional and mechanical demands during growth. The effect of two experimental factors, the insertion of a bite block and the alteration of food consistency, on the bone mineral...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Craniofacial and dentofacial development in pigs fed soft and hard diets - PubMed

The increase in arch width in the hard-diet animals reported in the literature was not duplicated in this study. On the contrary, the soft-diet pigs had significantly wider arches than the hard-diet animals. This was most pronounced in the premolar region and could be the result of an atypical...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Because it does, take a 2nd look at the fucking picture one more time please lmfao


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Hard diet is just the natural diet. you can't isolate it to solely the hard foods or chewing, its nutrients

 

[Deleted member 57685]

Hard diet is just the natural diet.

We aren't meant to chew that much

so which one is it?

you can't isolate it to solely the hard foods or chewing, its nutrients

Bone requires forces to adapt to as well, theres a reason stephen hawkings face looks melted

 

[Whitepill]

so which one is it?

Misspoke, its just nutrients and slight force tho. Not hardp

Bone requires forces to adapt to as well, theres a reason stephen hawkings face looks melted

Moderate forces

 

[Deleted member 57685]

Misspoke, its just nutrients and slight force tho. Not hardp

yeh sure

Moderate forces

if moderate forces = bone adaptation, then that means I was in fact correct

forces on the bone = bone adaptation by growth

which means stronger forces = more bone adaptation

 

[osteochondromyxoma]

You don't have to chew through the bone lol, anyways there is absolutely no way it would change your skull past 5 years old

If bones are so malleable and have low plastic deformation thresholds <36 monhs or so, could banded sleeping theoretically work for those 3 early years?

 

[osteochondromyxoma]

yeh sure


if moderate forces = bone adaptation, then that means I was in fact correct

forces on the bone = bone adaptation by growth

which means stronger forces = more bone adaptation

Misspoke, its just nutrients and slight force tho. Not hardp

Moderate forces

yea bones can remodel, the problem with the remodelling theory for aesthetics is that theres a biological and genetic limit to how much your bones grow, genes can even contribute to your ratios and symmetry. Asymmetrical genetics are a real thing, for example how fast how long your ramus on each side grows can be genetically and environmentally influenced. But environemtal factors do not have the magnitude you think it does

 

[Whitepill]

yea bones can remodel, the problem with the remodelling theory for aesthetics is that theres a biological and genetic limit to how much your bones grow, genes can even contribute to your ratios and symmetry. Asymmetrical genetics are a real thing, for example how fast how long your ramus on each side grows can be genetically and environmentally influenced. But environemtal factors do not have the magnitude you think it does

I know but hes saying just chew on the molars. That was my point, that shit don't work

 

[Whitepill]

If bones are so malleable and have low plastic deformation thresholds <36 monhs or so, could banded sleeping theoretically work for those 3 early years?

Would cause issues probably

 

[osteochondromyxoma]

I know but hes saying just chew on the molars. That was my point, that shit don't work

Also I remember a thread on incisor chewing for upward CCW rotation wouldnt molars defeat the purpose? It would only really add to mandibular size ig

 

[Whitepill]

Also I remember a thread on incisor chewing for upward CCW rotation wouldnt molars defeat the purpose? It would only really add to mandibular size ig

Yeah, makes sense. They are in different places of the mouth wouldnt have the same function

 

[N30N]

Yeah until it gives you tmj and your face muscles shatter then ur face turns into an expired grape

As someone with tmj, your face muscles won't shatter if you keep them at bay.

 

[N30N]

That's why in theory, chewing is a good practice to do small changes to your skull over long periods in time.

 

[ey88]

Haha bro

Nice one

 

[Deleted member 57685]

Haha bro

Nice one

go back to off topic bro

That's why in theory, chewing is a good practice to do small changes to your skull over long periods in time.

exactly. Wont turn you into O'Pry but bone remodeling is real

As someone with tmj, your face muscles won't shatter if you keep them at bay.

yet this f****t @neymar thinks any chewing will give your midface a 0.5:1 ratio smh

yea bones can remodel, the problem with the remodelling theory for aesthetics is that theres a biological and genetic limit to how much your bones grow, genes can even contribute to your ratios and symmetry. Asymmetrical genetics are a real thing, for example how fast how long your ramus on each side grows can be genetically and environmentally influenced. But environemtal factors do not have the magnitude you think it does

Perfectly said, you cant beat your genetic limit, but you can definitely try an reach it. Of course getting bimax will mog any chewing, but the return on investment is good considering its just chewing gum for like 60 minutes a day for potential bone remodeling over time. And yes, if your genes decided your left ramus will always be taller than your right, there is nothing you can do about it other than surgery.

I know but hes saying just chew on the molars. That was my point, that shit don't work

i already proved you wrong about this

Also I remember a thread on incisor chewing for upward CCW rotation wouldnt molars defeat the purpose? It would only really add to mandibular size ig

Yeh solid point, but it depends on the individuals goal, if your trying to optimize your maxilla than incisor chewing is better, but for forces upon the ramus + mandible than molar chewing is the best, all about the individuals goal. Of course lefort 1 will be infinitely more effective than this, but it doesnt mean it isnt real.

 

[Whitepill]

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i already proved you wrong about this

You quite literally didn't. You won't be able to provide consistent enough force to make any change

 

[ela67]

Doesn't everyone chew on molars anyways?

 

[Deleted member 57685]

You quite literally didn't. You won't be able to provide consistent enough force to make any change

Forceful mastication activates osteocytes and builds a stout jawbone - Scientific Reports

Bone undergoes a constant reconstruction process of resorption and formation called bone remodeling, so that it can endure mechanical loading. During food ingestion, masticatory muscles generate the required masticatory force. The magnitude of applied masticatory force has long been believed to...

www.nature.com

Skull base flexion and its influence on chewing - Extrica

Skull base asymmetries can occur in the intrauterine period, manifesting from birth as craniofacial asymmetries and should be investigated both in the maxilla and mandible and in the craniofacial region, as they are related to the base of the skull. The objective of this study was to explain...

www.extrica.com

Bone remodeling and cyclical loading in maxillae of New Zealand white rabbits (Oryctolagus cuniculus) - PubMed

Mammalian feeding behaviors are altered when mechanically challenging (e.g., tough, stiff) foods require large bite forces or prolonged mastication. Bony responses to high bite forces are well-documented for the mammalian skull, but osteogenesis due to cyclical loading, caused by repetitive...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Frontiers | Muscle-Bone Crosstalk in the Masticatory System: From Biomechanical to Molecular Interactions

The masticatory system is a complex and highly organized group of structures, including craniofacial bones (maxillae and mandible), muscles, teeth, joints, a...

www.frontiersin.org

inb4 "muh moderate forces"

 

[Deleted member 57685]

Doesn't everyone chew on molars anyways?

1) they probably dont
2) if they do, its soft processed foods that wont provide enough force to promote remodeling

 

[ela67]

1) they probably dont
2) if they do, its soft processed foods that wont provide enough force to promote remodeling

Ah 2 is me

 

[Whitepill]

Forceful mastication activates osteocytes and builds a stout jawbone - Scientific Reports

Bone undergoes a constant reconstruction process of resorption and formation called bone remodeling, so that it can endure mechanical loading. During food ingestion, masticatory muscles generate the required masticatory force. The magnitude of applied masticatory force has long been believed to...

www.nature.com

Skull base flexion and its influence on chewing - Extrica

Skull base asymmetries can occur in the intrauterine period, manifesting from birth as craniofacial asymmetries and should be investigated both in the maxilla and mandible and in the craniofacial region, as they are related to the base of the skull. The objective of this study was to explain...

www.extrica.com

Bone remodeling and cyclical loading in maxillae of New Zealand white rabbits (Oryctolagus cuniculus) - PubMed

Mammalian feeding behaviors are altered when mechanically challenging (e.g., tough, stiff) foods require large bite forces or prolonged mastication. Bony responses to high bite forces are well-documented for the mammalian skull, but osteogenesis due to cyclical loading, caused by repetitive...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Frontiers | Muscle-Bone Crosstalk in the Masticatory System: From Biomechanical to Molecular Interactions

The masticatory system is a complex and highly organized group of structures, including craniofacial bones (maxillae and mandible), muscles, teeth, joints, a...

www.frontiersin.org

inb4 "muh moderate forces"

Keep chewing broo

 

[Deleted member 57685]

Keep chewing broo

Perfectly said, you cant beat your genetic limit, but you can definitely try an reach it. Of course getting bimax will mog any chewing, but the return on investment is good considering its just chewing gum for like 60 minutes a day for potential bone remodeling over time. And yes, if your genes decided your left ramus will always be taller than your right, there is nothing you can do about it other than surgery.

 

[osteochondromyxoma]

I use my canines for meat

 

[N30N]

I use my canines for meat

As intended.

 

[Deleted Member 60933]

Probably cus the university running the study had double digit IQ and agreed the average normal person can understand that forces = growth, or do you want to credit the growth to fuck all smh

Masticatory demands induce region-specific changes in mandibular bone density in growing rats - PubMed

This study investigates the structural adaptation of the mandibular bone when subjected to different masticatory functional and mechanical demands during growth. The effect of two experimental factors, the insertion of a bite block and the alteration of food consistency, on the bone mineral...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Craniofacial and dentofacial development in pigs fed soft and hard diets - PubMed

The increase in arch width in the hard-diet animals reported in the literature was not duplicated in this study. On the contrary, the soft-diet pigs had significantly wider arches than the hard-diet animals. This was most pronounced in the premolar region and could be the result of an atypical...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Animal studies are extremely low levels of evidence

This is a good thing to start with, but it's likely a waste of time