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Now, the sense (opinions, etc.) that an individual has of themselves (including their sense of value, acceptance, etc.) is shaped by a psychological function called the "ego." Contrary to the common notion that "ego" means overrating oneself, in psychology, the ego refers to the function by which an individual discovers and asserts who they are based on their own original notions. Thus, someone with a strong ego is not necessarily someone who praises themselves excessively, but rather someone who can autonomously form a sense of their own identity.

However, the opinions you hold about yourself and your own worth can also be influenced by external sources. For example, if you constantly hear someone say that you are "fat"—even if your ego tells you otherwise—an inner voice may develop in your mind that insists, "I am fat."

The process of internalizing external commentary into our own psyche is called "introjection."

Over time, the ego’s role in asserting self-worth and identity can be overtaken by introjections. In extreme cases, the ego becomes so diminished that we might say it has "died," leaving the individual’s self-perception almost entirely dictated by introjections.

Unfortunately, a sociology book compiling various theories noted that most sociologists—despite their ideological differences—observed and agreed that individuals receive mostly negative stimuli from society. This constant molding through social interaction often involves threats, humiliation, punishment, and others negatives.

Combining these two ideas—that identity becomes dictated by society, stripping away the ability to autonomously define oneself, and that most introjections are negative—we see that many people internalize harmful beliefs about themselves.

In response to these negative introjections, individuals may seek to restore their sense of value. However, instead of rebuilding their ego, they attempt to derive worth from the very introjections that oppress them. And that is a mistake.

To illustrate this, consider some cases of body dysmorphia:

- A girl who was once overweight constantly heard from boys or her mother that she was "fat." She then starves herself and exercises excessively until she becomes thin. Yet, she still sees herself as fat because her self-perception is governed by past introjections. Even when others now tell her she is "skinny," these new introjections may not outweigh the old ones. She looks in the mirror and sees fatness because that is what the ingrained introjections dictate.

- A boy frequently hears contradictory opinions from his mother, whom he cares deeply about. One day, she tells him, "Your eyes are perfectly symmetrical—you’re so beautiful," and the next, she says, "Why are your eyes so ugly? You’re repulsive." Over time, these conflicting messages are internalized, causing him to oscillate between delusions of extreme beauty (and thus worthiness of love) and extreme ugliness (and shame). By adolescence, he exhibits erratic social behavior—one day avoiding people because he believes his face is grotesquely disproportionate, the next day acting with extreme confidence because he imagines his features have magically transformed. In reality, his appearance hasn’t changed; his perception is distorted by introjections.

- Another example: A boy whose self-worth is entirely comparative, dictated by societal introjections. To avoid feeling worthless, he must constantly prove himself superior to others. He chases wealth and status symbols, not for genuine fulfillment, but to escape the introjected belief that he is "fundamentally meaningless." He may even belittle others to artificially elevate himself, seeking temporary relief from his inadequacy.

- A woman refuses to date someone she’s attracted to because her introjections tell her that person is "low-value," and associating with them would diminish her own worth.

- A man engages in compulsive casual relationships to feel validated.

- A woman compulsively seduces multiple people to reinforce her sense of value.

While negative social stimuli have always existed, the increasing frequency of introjections—through letters, books, television, movies, and especially social media—has intensified this erosion of the ego.

Today, the prevalence of "toxic" people (and thus toxic relationships), largely shaped by this phenomenon, has reached near-epidemic levels in cities and social circles.

For this phenomenon, I propose the term **"Sociogenic Egoicide"**—literally, "the killing of the ego by societal dynamics." Possible remedies might include social isolation, the practice of "know thyself," and cultivating genuine pride rather than vanity.



Y.P.A.E.A.
@osteochondromyxoma @Whitepill @Dean @AstroSky
 
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Now, the sense (opinions...) that the individual have of himself (including his sense of value, acceptance...) is made by a psychological function named "ego". Contrary to the common notion that "ego" would mean to overrate oneself, ego here and in psychology actually means the function of the individual discovering and asserting who he is by his own original notions, so that someone with a huge ego is not exactly someone who praises himself but someone who is able to autonomously crate a notion of who and how he is.
It happens, however, that the opinions that you have about yourself and of your own worth can also be made by other actors. For example, hearing someone say that your are "fat" all the time, even if your ego say that you are not, will create a inner voice in your mind that says "I am fat".
The name given to this process of internalizing the commentaries done by outside actors into our own mind, here, is "introjection".
As time moves, the function done by the ego of asserting the pride and who the person is start to be done by the introjections. Such is the case that the ego becomes so small that we could say that he died, being the opinion that the individual have of himself and things related to that are now practically done exclusively by the introjections!

Unfortunately, there was this sociology book compiling dozens of general theories by multiple sociologists about society. Each one of them, as opposing as their ideologies and theories could be in relation to one another, observed and agreed, at some point in their theories, that the individual receives mostly negative stimulus from society in a constant process of being mold by society in his interactions with it.
Negative stimulus here is in the meaning of threats, humiliation, punishment...

So you combine the two previous discussed ideas: that the individual identity start to be dictated by society and he looses his power to autonomously dictate who he his or what he deserves, with the information that most introjections are negative. And you discover that most people have introjections that perpetuate negative stimulus.

Reacting against those negative stimulus and introjections, the individual search to restore his sense of value. However, instead of reconstructing his ego function, he now focus on acquiring his own value via the introjections.

Advancing the explanation, one of the problems arising from this, for example, are some cases of body dysmorphia; let's say that a girl were fat and constantly heard from boys or her own mother that "she is fat". That girl tries to stop eating food and start to exercise in order to become skinny and succeeded. Now she is skinny, but she don't see herself as skinny: because what is making herself evaluete her fatness are the introjections from the people who used to tell her that "she is fat". Now, she keeps losing so much weight and is cutting so much food that she people can not ignore and start to comment to her that "she is skinny". However, this time, the new introjections may not be in enough number or level of importance for her mind as the past introjections who used to tell her that "she is fat". She stand in front of the mirror and see fatness because that's what the introjections tell her brain.

Another example: a boy who frequently hear contrasting drastic opinions of himself from his mother and care about it. So, his mother one morning says "wow, you are so beautiful, your eyes have a perfect symmetry" but in another moment she says "why are your eyes so ugly? You are so repulsive". This, over a long period of time, is internalized, making the boy transit between states of self perception of unrealistic concepts of beauty (and, therefore, worthy of mamas praise and love) to unrealistic states of ugliness (and, therefore, to shame). This boy grows under that effect and, at adolescence, he start to exhibit apparently random behaviors of social phobia and avoidance, thinking and seeing in the mirror that his face is currently disproportionate, while in the next day he becomes extremely social and confident because he believes that his eyes had changed making him look like a model, but his face had actually kept being the same all this time, being those visual delusions product of the introjections.

Another example of someone who heard enough introjections and lost his ego: a boy whose value can only be determined by comparing him to other under the ideas propagated by the introjections. So, in order to not feel unworthy or to feel good, he needs to have a good value. And having a good value means being above other values set by other people. So he need to be above others, above the mediocrity, or to someone, to feel good about himself. Hence, he does everything he can to become rich and acquire symbols of social status, trying to run away from the introjections that tell him that "he is fundamentally meaningless". Maybe, because he needs to value himself only in relation to others, he try to humiliate someone to decrease that person value and, therefore by comparison, increase his own, thus relieving his own pressure of being inadequate and receiving the pleasure of maybe being good enough.

Another example: a women who chooses to not date someone who she is attracted to because her introjections tell her that that person have low value and that would decrease her own value.

Another example in dating: a men who compulsorily have casual romantic relations to feel valued.

Another example in dating: a women who compulsorily seduces multiple people to feel valued.

While some level of social interactions had always existed in the history of humankind, and hence it's negative stimulus, a increase in the frequency of received introjections from society would intensify this whole process of ego destruction and loss of self value.
So, as more meanings of communications between humans emerged (letters, books, televisions, movies, social media apps...), the worse things got.
Such is the case that nowadays the presence of "toxic" people (and, therefore, toxic relationships), specially constructed by that phenomenon that I have been explaining in this entire text, now is so easily found in cities and social circles that it resembles the presence of a pandemic.

For this phenomenon and sickness, I choose the name of "Sociogenic Egoicide", translating to something like "the killing of ego by societal dynamics". It apear to me that possible remedies to such sickness could be social isolation, practicing "know thyself", and establishing pride instead of vanity.



Y.P.A.E.A.
@osteochondromyxoma @Whitepill @Dean @AstroSky
Tldr @Wilk

I ain’t reading allay
 
Now, the sense (opinions, etc.) that an individual has of themselves (including their sense of value, acceptance, etc.) is shaped by a psychological function called the "ego." Contrary to the common notion that "ego" means overrating oneself, in psychology, the ego refers to the function by which an individual discovers and asserts who they are based on their own original notions. Thus, someone with a strong ego is not necessarily someone who praises themselves excessively, but rather someone who can autonomously form a sense of their own identity.

However, the opinions you hold about yourself and your own worth can also be influenced by external sources. For example, if you constantly hear someone say that you are "fat"—even if your ego tells you otherwise—an inner voice may develop in your mind that insists, "I am fat."

The process of internalizing external commentary into our own psyche is called "introjection."

Over time, the ego’s role in asserting self-worth and identity can be overtaken by introjections. In extreme cases, the ego becomes so diminished that we might say it has "died," leaving the individual’s self-perception almost entirely dictated by introjections.

Unfortunately, a sociology book compiling various theories noted that most sociologists—despite their ideological differences—observed and agreed that individuals receive mostly negative stimuli from society. This constant molding through social interaction often involves threats, humiliation, punishment, and others negatives.

Combining these two ideas—that identity becomes dictated by society, stripping away the ability to autonomously define oneself, and that most introjections are negative—we see that many people internalize harmful beliefs about themselves.

In response to these negative introjections, individuals may seek to restore their sense of value. However, instead of rebuilding their ego, they attempt to derive worth from the very introjections that oppress them. And that is a mistake.

To illustrate this, consider some cases of body dysmorphia:

- A girl who was once overweight constantly heard from boys or her mother that she was "fat." She then starves herself and exercises excessively until she becomes thin. Yet, she still sees herself as fat because her self-perception is governed by past introjections. Even when others now tell her she is "skinny," these new introjections may not outweigh the old ones. She looks in the mirror and sees fatness because that is what the ingrained introjections dictate.

- A boy frequently hears contradictory opinions from his mother, whom he cares deeply about. One day, she tells him, "Your eyes are perfectly symmetrical—you’re so beautiful," and the next, she says, "Why are your eyes so ugly? You’re repulsive." Over time, these conflicting messages are internalized, causing him to oscillate between delusions of extreme beauty (and thus worthiness of love) and extreme ugliness (and shame). By adolescence, he exhibits erratic social behavior—one day avoiding people because he believes his face is grotesquely disproportionate, the next day acting with extreme confidence because he imagines his features have magically transformed. In reality, his appearance hasn’t changed; his perception is distorted by introjections.

- Another example: A boy whose self-worth is entirely comparative, dictated by societal introjections. To avoid feeling worthless, he must constantly prove himself superior to others. He chases wealth and status symbols, not for genuine fulfillment, but to escape the introjected belief that he is "fundamentally meaningless." He may even belittle others to artificially elevate himself, seeking temporary relief from his inadequacy.

- A woman refuses to date someone she’s attracted to because her introjections tell her that person is "low-value," and associating with them would diminish her own worth.

- A man engages in compulsive casual relationships to feel validated.

- A woman compulsively seduces multiple people to reinforce her sense of value.

While negative social stimuli have always existed, the increasing frequency of introjections—through letters, books, television, movies, and especially social media—has intensified this erosion of the ego.

Today, the prevalence of "toxic" people (and thus toxic relationships), largely shaped by this phenomenon, has reached near-epidemic levels in cities and social circles.

For this phenomenon, I propose the term **"Sociogenic Egoicide"**—literally, "the killing of the ego by societal dynamics." Possible remedies might include social isolation, the practice of "know thyself," and cultivating genuine pride rather than vanity.



Y.P.A.E.A.
@osteochondromyxoma @Whitepill @Dean @AstroSky
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That was an amazing fucking read.
 
wow u have a really great gift of explaining very complex ideas like the one you mentioned very simply
high iq trait
 
Unfortunately, a sociology book compiling various theories noted that most sociologists—despite their ideological differences—observed and agreed that individuals receive mostly negative stimuli from society. This constant molding through social interaction often involves threats, humiliation, punishment, and others negatives.
Which book is this referring to?
 
I litrally got jumped for telling a fat n***a he is fat
 
No your imbecile, its not true. Losers like you are unable to comprehend that some people are not like you
Hey, not to be rude, but your last post had really fucked up English; you even said you were taking English courses, so clearly it’s not your first language. 💔 But suddenly this one is in flawless English with a completely different voice. Also, you forgot to delete the asterisks around the bolded words…that only happens when you copy-paste straight from chatgpt. At least try to be subtle 😭
 
Hey, not to be rude, but your last post had really fucked up English; you even said you were taking English courses, so clearly it’s not your first language. 💔 But suddenly this one is in flawless English with a completely different voice. Also, you forgot to delete the asterisks around the bolded words…that only happens when you copy-paste straight from chatgpt. At least try to be subtle 😭

I never said that I do courses. I complete a course in the past.

About the writing, yes, it fluctuates between texts. I wrote 2 books in my native language and one of them on English. Your preferred author don't speak in English prime when he go buy a hot dog. Speech changes, we aren't a archetype but real life people in constant transformation
 
"Narcissists dont have any personality at all, only masks.
(They don't have ego, only introjection and superego)

Everything he does is wear a mask that hides and operates "a superficial ascent conceading subbtle hidden struggle for control" based on those introjections.
 
Bump because this thread can help people
 
I never said that I do courses. I complete a course in the past.

About the writing, yes, it fluctuates between texts. I wrote 2 books in my native language and one of them on English. Your preferred author don't speak in English prime when he go buy a hot dog. Speech changes, we aren't a archetype but real life people in constant transformation
my second part about the bold writing still stands
 
my second part about the bold writing still stands
It is not a proof, merely a correlation being confused as a unilateral logical obligation
 
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